Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 1999 9:02 AM
1999: Brad Stair of Performance Guns just told me his 50 Cal is at about 1000 rounds, still in pristine condition, when it should be 1/2 to 1/3 shot out by now.
Mr. Doege,
As per your note the following is provided:
"If you could also provide more details, such as caliber, model type details, age, and the cleaning prep that was performed, we would be forever grateful."
The pistol is an .45 ACP, Arcadia Machine and Tool (AMT) "Hardballer." If you remember these guns, they were manufactured by AMT during the early eighties (purchased mine in 82 if memory serves), and were basically series 70 gold cups in matte stainless. The quality control back then was, charitably, a bit lacking. I had to change the barrel after 200 rounds as the chamber shroud, which also held the link pivot, began to come away from the barrel. I replaced the barrel with a mark VI (I believe), and recently (after approximately 5,000 rounds), with a stainless colt barrel. The gun has had the rails peened, the hammer replaced with a drilled out commander model, the mag well beveled, a Swenson beavertail grip safety installed, and is sporting a set of wolf 24lb springs. I have in turn stippled then smoothed the front strap, squared the area under the trigger guard, and replaced the front sight (the only 'smithing' I didn't perform as I was not set up to silver solder). The gun still shoots straight and has served me well in a few IPSC matches as well as the Marine Corps' High Risk Personnel (HRP) tactical shooting course (4 days, 3,000 rounds when I took it in 1992). I still shoot as often as possible, and since I am changing careers/retiring from the Marine Corps, I may find myself back in friendly competition.
As to prep, the process went like this. I started by taking the gun down completely. I then sorted the parts I was going to treat (everything but the barrel). I scrubbed the gun down with tri-flow, then let the parts sit in a pot of boiling water. While the gun was hot, I scrubbed the surfaces I could reach with a green Scotch-Brite pad, then more cotton swabs. After drying and with the gun still warm, I used the little spritzer bottle (sample size, sent me by a friend) to spray the parts. I let the gun cool and dry for the time recommended in the instructions (I forget now how long that was), then wiped off the excess. I then reassembled the gun and cycled the action. I did notice that even though the gun was old and smooth, it seemed smoother. As I said in my previous note, It was about two months later that I was able to put a couple of magazines of my match ammo through the gun (200gr HG68-bblswc, 5.3 gr. WW231, mil brass, CCI primer, loaded on an old Dillon 450). The gun seemed to cycle more quickly, and recoil was noticeably less, bringing the front sight back to target appreciably quicker.
I will go back and treat the barrel, and see how that affects the overall performance.
Thanks for taking the time to read this. I will check the website for prices.
Regards, Peter Petronello MSgt USMC
P.S. Peter gave permission up front to post his information as a service to others.
Ralph, I and other Hall action owners have trouble with Hall actions developing rust between the bolt and receiver in the absence of no apparent cause. One shooter commented that it was due to the type steel used. I don't know but I got tired of it re-appearing after I cleaned and oiled as I have in the past using various lubricants and bore cleaners. I had experimented with Moly-Fusion and Cleaner on other rifles and had been impressed with them in preventing fouling and rust. I treated my Hall actions as per the directions furnished and the rust has not shown up for over 6 months and I purposely neglected cleaning to ensure that they were doing the job. I am reluctant to accept "marvelous" cleaning devices and chemicals, but both of these live up to the claims made and a plus for BR rifles is that they don't leave a gummy or oily residue to attract and hold dust and grit. I still can't bring myself to try them on the lugs w/o the high pressure grease which we use to prevent galling. They may work w/o it, but I just don't have the courage to try them alone. I did treat the lugs with them and they do seem to engage the recesses smoother. I did notice an improvement in accuracy at 1000 yds by eliminating flyers after treating the bore. I just built a match rifle on a Rem 40x and I'm having the owner only use Shooter Solutions’ cleaner to clean with. I treated it with Moly-Fusion before it was fired and then broke it in. Another shooter tried the two treatments in his 40X but became ill and hasn't fired enough to prove much of anything but the few shots he did shoot impressed him with the ease of cleaning. We are all using moly coated bullets. Hope this helps. Doc Lisenby
From: LONGDISTSHTR Saturday, March 06, 1999 9:49 PM To: Jonathan Doege Subject:
Haven't got the info on that guy who treated his rifle 'cause he has been busy sporting clays shooting and training his retriever puppy. I'm getting ready for a thousand yards match March 20. I have a new shooter 20 yrs. old with good eyes whom I built a rifle for and of course I gave him a can of Shooter Solutions’ Cleaner and told him to only use that to clean with. I treated the bore with Moly-fusion, also the action and he got several comments from his buddies as to how smooth the action functioned. He was mildly interested in high power shooting so I broke out my old Garand and cleaned the bore then treated it with Moly-Fusion and Cleaner and used 168 gr. Sierra to load it. I don't know which improved the accuracy but I fell in love with it all over. I can shoot accurately enough at 100 yds. to want to enter this kind of competition again but I'm too old to get in the positions and in the iron peep sight, there is a fuzzy place in the center which blocks out the front sight. Even so, I put several shots in a three inch bull. When I kept cleaning it every five shots, I kept having to change the sights to get a new zero. I just started to wipe the bore out with Cleaner even tho' it got a lot of metal fouling and damned if it didn't retain the zero. I was shooting Moly’ed bullets and it still metal fouled. The pro benchresters are saying not to clean as often and just wipe the bore with Kroil and Shooter's Choice mix. I believe that Cleaner could be a good substitute for this mix. I'm going to keep using it and see what happens.
From: Art London Sent: Sunday, February 07, 1999 9:39 PM; To: 'Jonathan Doege' Good evening Jonathan, Have enjoyed using molyfusion and find that it works as advertised. I bought a small portable hairdryer and that solved the heating problem. My real joy is Sweetshooter. Use it daily, particularly when I'm shooting. While I'm writing, you’d better send me another pint of Shooter Solutions Cleaner. Charge to VISA. Wouldn't want to run out. Art London London's Snellville, GA
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